Discussion about this post

User's avatar
Rajeev Ram's avatar

This is a deeply excellent post. Covers a lot of ground that I've been trying to over the past many months. Some initial reactions.

1. On Daoism, with respect to duality: Have you ever read the Immanent Metaphyiscs by Forrest Landry? He offers an interesting metaphysical vocabulary in the form of a trinity – if there are two polarities, then there exists a relationship between them, which is a third "pole". This relationship (called the immanent mode) is more fundamental than either poles (transcendent and omniscient modes), and both poles are experienced properly to the the extent that their relationship is oriented properly. That is to say, balance lies in the optimal grip that brings the two poles together. Usually one direction of this immanence is scared, while the opposite is profane.

It is easier to note the proper orientation in some instances. For example, death ought to be in service of (or point toward, or operate in a way) to sustain life – such as a parent sacrificing for their child. The opposite – life in service of death – is clearly the wrong orientation.

Other polarities are not so easy. Ought the masculine orient toward the feminine? Or vice-versa? Ought the objective orient toward the subjective? What about the abstract and the concrete? The correct stances are highly contingent, of course, and this is why the "third pole" is more fundamental than the dichotomy itself.

2. What is the optimal grip between Nature and Spirit?

This seems to me to be the heart of what you're investigating here. Once you incarnate as a human being, you kind of automatically(?) develop an awareness: there is 'lower world' of Earth and a 'higher world' of Heaven. There's a real complexity in figuring out a way to straddle this properly.

Different systems have different ways to develop this immanent mode:

* "Come to know The Father, by The Spirit, through The Son" <–– Earth is a training ground for Heaven

* "Detach from all illusion to ground yourself in emptiness" <–– Heaven is a distraction to pierce through to reach Earth

There are many others, with their own subtleties, and layered together in intricate ways.

Expand full comment
2 more comments...

No posts